DarkDream High Quality Anime Archive + Future Release Plans

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Hey DarkDream,

Do you think there's any point in encoding in 10bit?

Taizenshū wrote:

Hey DarkDream,

Do you think there's any point in encoding in 10bit?

I cant say I know everything about 10bit encodes at this point in time, but from what I remember reading on Doom9 forums, few devices and programs will play 10 bit h.264 at the moment. I recommend you stick with 8 bit. Certain Blu-Ray sources may be better in 10-bit, and depends on the sources video. I will be reading more on this to get more knowledge on the matter.

I don't see any point in taking an 8-bit video source and encoding it into 10-bit. It's not going to magically increase the video quality that way. That would be like saying taking a 128kbps MP3 and re-encoding it 320kbps is going to make it better quality. It doesnt work that way and your actually reducing the quality some by compressing it again, even if you used a higher bitrate. You cant take an 8-bit source, encode it to 10-bit and expect it to magically be better quality just because its been put into 10-bit. The fact is, the source was only 8-bit, and you compressed it by encoding it, so even if you compress and make it 10-bit, its not really going to be better or official 10-bit video. Your just going to get an encode with a slightly better compression allowing a little bit less file size at the same quality and if your lucky, a little less banding created by the compression if your source was prone to banding.

Quote :

"Yes, you can get better compression efficiency (i.e. better quality at same bitrate) with 10-Bit, even when your source is "only" 8-Bit and the final output is 8-Bit too, simply because the encoder's and decoder's internal precision is higher (-> less rounding errors). On the other hand support for 10-Bit or even 12-Bit H.264 doesn't exist in any (consumer) playback device at the moment. Even software decoders are still very rare currently. So this is something you probably don't want to use yet. Also high-bitdepth H.264 will be significant slower to encode/decode. It was said that 8-Bit basically is a trade-off for speed.

At this point, the main limiting factor in using 10 bit h.264 is the lack of a free software decoder. Mainconcept sells a payware decoder, but it's $230 last I checked. http://www.mainconcept.com/products/...broadcast.html

x264 can certainly encode 10 bit video now, even as Lord_Mulder describes, even from an 8 bit source (and there are benefits in doing so). Even though much assembly optimization has been done for 10 bit encoding, I'd assume the code isn't quite as tight as the 8 bit path, so there will likely be a noticeable speed cost.

Still, nothing wrong with doing some experimenting. Just don't expect 10 bit encodes to actually play anywhere"

It sounds to me like its only really good for more compression, but at the cost of compatibility with devices on playback.

If its just for you and it plays back on the device or devices you want, then I guess you get slightly better compression which results in slightly better looking quality at the same file size and more power to you. It's not going to be a large quality increase though and more than likely barely visible unless resolution was raised way up.

If your planning on putting it up for public download on the internet, I wouldn't bother from the sounds of it since alot of people might complain about playback not working.

When 10-bit becomes supported by alot more devices in the future, then by all means I would encode into 10-bit if it compresses better at the same file sizes. You may not get a quality increase if the source was originally 8-bit, but you will get slightly better looking video at the same file sizes since it can compress better and have more bitrate for the video at the same file size. Good luck seeing the difference visibly though without screenshots and VERY thorough examining.



(This discussion was brought up again and has been continued here with updated details and more information)

https://blackstaranime.forumotion.com/t158p250-darkdream-high-quality-anime-archive-future-release-plans#1891

Forgot about this forum.
I'm so used to checking KAT.

But...
Yeah, cool on you still doing all this.

I did a comparison of both the audio and video for the old yugioh dvd sets and the new dvd sets.

The new ones are both superior in video and audio quality.

I was still thinking about whether or not I was going to redo yugioh in better quality since I could make it so much better looking now than I could 3 years ago from gained exp. Afterall yugioh was one of the first things I ever encoded. Its so popular, a reencode in better quality is well deserved.

Well seeing that the new sets are better in both video and audio, that just helped me make my decision even easier.

I will probly be redoing all the original yugioh series with these new sets after Pokemon is done.

With both a better source and better experience than I had 3 years ago, the new release will blow my original one away.


On a side note, Pokemon Season 4 should be done and ready for me to mux up + title each episode in about 8-10 days if all goes well. (Possibly earlier, MeGui estimation is sometimes longer than it needs) I had to use very slow filters to get them to look good. So they will take 4x as long as my usual encodes to finish.

I'll try my best to get it up no later than 11-12 days from now.

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Tri Prsta wrote:

I heard for the 10-bit encoding some time ago but still I don't know what's the difference between 10-bit adn 8-bit one in terms of quality,size ,encoding time etc.?

I dont know every single detail about it but from what I read I say this is about what I gathered from it.


1. 10-Bit has a wider range of colors so it can do more shades for things like gradients and shading. It has to have been recorded at or started off as 10-Bit though. If your using an 8-Bit source, your not going to be adding in and changing colors, it will still have 8-Bit colors.


2. 10-Bit compresses better.

If you do an 8-bit file and then a 10-bit file and make them both 200MB, the 10-bit is going to look a tad bit better since it compresses better and can hold more kbps in the same size file as the 8-bit. It will not be a huge quality difference unless doing something like 4K material.


Its like Divx vs h.264! the h.264 compresses better than divx so it will look better than divx at the same file size. Thing is, the difference is very visible between those 2 different encoder codecs, while with 8-Bit and 10-Bit it is not so visible unless the source was originally 10-Bit being degraded to 8-Bit. Blu-Rays are 8-Bit so your not getting 10-Bit.

I honestly don't think encoding time would be any different, but then again I never did a 10 bit encode and don't plan to anytime soon so I couldn't really say for certain, I could only believe others or what I read. (Thats a question that can probly be answered in more ways on Doom9 Forum or Videohelp forum. They can probly fill you in on it better than me. Manono or Sanlyn are usually great helpers on there with lots of knowledge.)


While all of that sounds nice, if the fact about it not being supported in hardly any player or device at all (as I pasted in quote above) is true, its not worth it to me.

That's the only issue I've had with 10-bit.

I can play it fine on my laptop, but any other device I've tried it on (phone/PS3/360/etc)...not so much.

Scooby Doo Meets The Boo Brothers is now available for download.

Yu-Gi-Oh! Season 1 higher quality re-encode is now available for download.


https://blackstaranime.forumotion.com/t174-yu-gi-oh-higher-quality-mkv-dvdrip-season-1#679

DarkDream787 wrote:

Scooby Doo Meets The Boo Brothers is now available for download.

Wow, it looks amazing. Never knew you're a fan of Scooby-Doo.

Okay well I'm batching my torrents together so instead of separate seasons and movies, their complete series sets and complete movies sets.

Once I get that all done, Ill make all new threads for my stuff and update the links in here.

I am re-encoding a few things but not all, only my favorites or more popular stuff.

Sheldon131 wrote:

DarkDream787 wrote:

Scooby Doo Meets The Boo Brothers is now available for download.

Wow, it looks amazing. Never knew you're a fan of Scooby-Doo.

Oh I love the Scooby Doo series and older movies. I don't care for the new junk though.

Hey Dark, I was wondering for your season 4 yu gi oh, did you redo them with the new dvd releases, thanks again for your uploads.

DarkDream787 wrote:

Tri Prsta wrote:

I heard for the 10-bit encoding some time ago but still I don't know what's the difference between 10-bit adn 8-bit one in terms of quality,size ,encoding time etc.?

I dont know every single detail about it but from what I read I say this is about what I gathered from it.


10-Bit compresses better.

If you do an 8-bit file and then a 10-bit file and make them both 200MB, the 10-bit is going to look better since it compresses better and can hold more kbps in the same size file as the 8-bit.


Its like Divx vs h.264! the h.264 compresses better than divx so it will look better than divx at the same file size.

I honestly don't think encoding time would be any different, but then again I never did a 10 bit encode and don't plan to anytime soon so I couldn't really say for certain, I could only believe others or what I read. (Thats a question that can probly be answered in more ways on Doom9 Forum or Videohelp forum. They can probly fill you in on it better than me. Manono or Sanlyn are usually great helpers on there with lots of knowledge.)


While all of that sounds nice, if the fact about it not being supported in hardly any player or device at all (as I pasted in quote above) is true, its not worth it to me.

The difference is a larger color spectrum. With 10-bit there is more colors to use for the picture, which helps a lot with compression. You're less likely to create banding during encoding with 10-bit.

Encoding times in 10-bit are much slower than 8-bit. It takes roughly 5x as long to encode in 10-bit. 10-bit encodes always require more CPU to decode and play properly.

Most devices do not support it and never will.

Devices will upgrade to 8-bit h265 when it becomes the standard; instead of 10-bit h264.

h265 still has a lot of issues though and doesn't retain grain or detail as much and is even slower at encoding than 10-bit h264. No one should encode to it for anything other than testing for now.

Scooby Doo And The Ghoul School is now available for download.

Enjoy!

Pokemon The First movie Blu-Ray rip is now available for download.

https://blackstaranime.forumotion.com/t184-pokemon-the-first-movie-high-qualitydual-audio-mkv-720p-blu-ray-rip#748

Sword Art Online is now available for download.

Enjoy!!

I have my Yu-Gi-Oh! batch with all of the series, capsule monsters series and the movie re-encoded in better quality ready to go and put up.

I will put it up after the Sword Art Online 720p upload I just put up yesterday has another day or two to seed a bit more at full speed.

Expect to see it up in 3 days max and possibly earlier.

Yu-Gi-Oh! Re-encoded is now available for download.

Enjoy!

I'm in a Yu-Gi-Oh! mood and I just finished encoding the entire series. Because I also want to see the uncut Japanese version of Yu-Gi-Oh! and so does my gf, I have decided that after my short break and my watching some of it with my gf that I will encode the Japanese version with English Subtitles.

I have the Uncut US DVD's and every single Japanese Duel Box. Then you will have the first few episodes Dual Audio from the Uncut US DVD's and the rest of the series all in Japanese with fansubs.

So that will be a project of mine quite soon.


I have also decided to re-encode the Swat Kats DVD's in better quality since not only is it a short series and wouldnt take long, but its one of my favorite childhood cartoons and deserves a better fixup from me than my old upload got.


The Pokemon stuff I been working on should be finished soon. I just need to finish up a couple more Blu-Ray movies.

Wow, that's a lot of work for you, darkdream.
More power to you and thanks for the latest.

Swat Kats Re-encoded in better quality is now available for download.

Enjoy!!